{"id":476,"date":"2019-07-17T12:48:40","date_gmt":"2019-07-17T10:48:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/english.beefree.es\/?p=476"},"modified":"2019-07-18T13:32:08","modified_gmt":"2019-07-18T11:32:08","slug":"help-of-the-plastic-frames","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/english.resistantbees.es\/?p=476","title":{"rendered":"Help of the Plastic Frames"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row][vc_column][vc_column_text]<span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">With these fully drawn plastic frames, it is very simply to get normal bees used to small cells, within a few weeks.. This <a href=\"\/?p=108\">measure of 4.9 mm<\/a>\u00a0is necessary that the bees\u00a0 can defend<\/span><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">\u00a0themselves<\/span><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">\u00a0against the diseases, without the use of chemicals.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/?p=156\"><br \/>\nHere we describe how the plastic combs are used.<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">With the artificial combs it is very easy to accomodate large cell bees (LC) to small cells (SC).<\/span><\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.resistantbees.com\/plastik_e.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\n<strong>you can order the artificial combs of ResistantBees in\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/shop\/index.php?id_product=37&amp;controller=product&amp;id_lang=5\">our online shop<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"en\"><br \/>\nWithout the use of\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">fully drawn plastic frames<\/span>, this process takes years. They can be replaced with new frames within a short time, once the bees have learned to build this size correctly.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">So far, there have been plastic combs from the USA,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.simpsonsbeesupply.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the HSC<\/a>, the Rovergarden from Italy and the MannLake from the USA.<br \/>\nNow the Rovergarden company got bankrupt and the MannLake are somewhat too large, namely 4.97mm.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">Thus, the idea emerged of producing artificial combs in 4.9 mm cell size and to offer them together with the matrices.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I got suggestions from Matias from Alicante, who used the 4.97mm MannLake combs and these were surprisingly well built by his large-cell bees.<br \/>\nThis is described\u00a0<a href=\"\/?p=476#mannlake\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Then came the idea to build them in real 4.9 mm.<br \/>\nArtificial comb still without wax coating:<br \/>\n<span class=\"Estilo66\">(click to enlarge)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/blog\/kw_2.jpg\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Kunstwabe 4,9mm\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/blog\/kw_2.jpg\" alt=\"Kunstwabe 4,9mm\" width=\"450\" height=\"339\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">Now I gave these artificial combs into a artificial swarm and after a day the bees had excellently drawn these artificial combs:<br \/>\n<span class=\"Estilo66\">(click to enlarge)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/blog\/kw_9.jpg\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"von den Bienen ausgebaute Kunstwabe\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/blog\/kw_9.jpg\" alt=\"von den Bienen ausgebaute Kunstwabe\" width=\"450\" height=\"375\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I<span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">\u00a0think that the solid structure of the 2mm high cell walls forces the bees somewhat to keep this cell size, because they cannot plain them down.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>with brood:<br \/>\n<span class=\"Estilo66\">(click to enlarge)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/blog\/kw_14.jpg\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\"  target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Kunstwabe mit Brut\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/blog\/kw_14.jpg\" alt=\"artificial comb\" width=\"450\" height=\"343\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\"><strong>The advantages of the artificial honeycombs against the HSC:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 on the one hand the cell density is correct, because we really have 49mm per 10 cells. In the case of the HSC, this is different due to the thick cell walls. In that case the individual cells are 4.9mm, but through the thick cell walls we reach 55mm per 10 cells with the HSC combs.<br \/>\nAnd greater cell density means higher incubation temperature, which means a considerably shorter incubation time, which is a decisive advantage over the mites.<br \/>\nThus you can leave these artificial combs with real 4.9mm also longer in the hive, if necessary.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 another advantage is that the artificial combs have the Ys and the 3 rhombs at the cell bottom. This is not the case with the HSC. Thus, the\u00a0<a href=\"\/?p=114\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">natural comb arrangement<\/a>\u00a0can also be used.<\/p>\n<p>This is how the artificial comb of 4,9mm looks like:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"nat\u00fcrliche Anordnung der Waben\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/blog\/kw_3.jpg\" alt=\"Ypsilonanordnung m\u00f6glich\" width=\"450\" height=\"372\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">details:<br \/>\n10 cells measure between 48.8 and 49mm.<br \/>\nCell wall height: 2mm<br \/>\nCell wall thickness: 0.5mm<br \/>\nSize of artificial comb: 40,7cm x 19,3cm x 0,45cm<br \/>\n3 rhombs on the bottom of the cells, like in natural bee cells<br \/>\nColor: yellow<br \/>\ncoated with wax and some Lemongrass oil for better acceptance<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Adriano from Italy has found another factory, who also, I think accidentally,\u00a0 produces\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">4.9 mm\u00a0<\/span><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\">plastic combs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"en\"><span class=\"Estilo64\">Atention &#8211; Adriano told us that the italian company Rovera, who built the Rovergarden frames,, went bankrupt.\u00a0<\/span><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\" tabindex=\"-1\"><a href=\"\/?p=476#mannlake\">Cheap alternative MannLake from USA or Spain<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>It seems that they are of good quality and are usefull for our work. Adriano commented that several beekeepers there work with them and it works.<br \/>\nOne difference is that the cell depth is greater than in the HSC &#8211; how the bees deal with is nice to see on Adrianos page at the bottom.<\/p>\n<p>Here a HSC above and a Rovergarden beneath:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/rov2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"677\" height=\"449\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/rov3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"677\" height=\"449\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/rov4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"677\" height=\"449\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/rov5.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"677\" height=\"449\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/rov6.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"677\" height=\"449\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/resistantbees.com\/fotos\/rov7.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"677\" height=\"449\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong><a name=\"mannlake\"><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Estilo52\">Here are the datas of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.mannlakeltd.com\/9-1-8-waxed-standard-plastic-frame-natural\">Mann Lake<\/a>\u00a0plastic combs from USA<\/span>(now alos available in spain)<strong>:<br \/>\n<\/strong><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\" tabindex=\"-1\">The Mannlake plastic comb is a more cost-effective alternative to the HSC.<br \/>\nThe difference to the HSC is that the cells are not fully developed and that the cell size is slightly over 4.9mm. Erik \u00d6sterlund from Sweden reports:\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.elgon.es\/diary\/?p=119\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fast and cheap to small cells\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>depth of cells: 1,9mm<\/strong>\u00a0&#8211; with rombs at the bottom of the cells<br \/>\n<strong>Inner measure of a cell: 4,4mm<\/strong><br \/>\n10 cells measure 49,7mm &#8211; so we have a cell size of<strong>\u00a04,97mm<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>side bar width:<\/strong>\u00a034,8mm &#8211;\u00a0<strong>should be grinded to 32mm\u00a0<\/strong>&#8211; so bees will accept this cell siye more easily<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_1.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake\" width=\"473\" height=\"339\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/MannLake\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">MannLake waxed:<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_2.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake\" width=\"474\" height=\"281\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><\/p>\n<p>cell size 4,97mm:<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_3.jpg\" alt=\"Mannlake 4,97mm\" width=\"545\" height=\"359\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">MannLake waxed:<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_4.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake waxed\" width=\"700\" height=\"377\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">MannLake unwaxed:<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_5.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake unwaxed\" width=\"700\" height=\"395\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.elgon.es\/diary\/?p=119\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><br \/>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\"><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"es\" tabindex=\"-1\"><span title=\"Er hat einen vor kurzem gefangenen Schwarm grosszelliger Bienen auf 5 MannLake Plastikwaben abgefegt.\"><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\" tabindex=\"-1\"><span title=\"Mat\u00edas de Alicante acaba de probar los cuadros Mann Lake y sus abejas trabajaron las celdillas perfectamente.\"><strong>Mat\u00edas de Alicante just tried out the MannLake plastic frames and his bees worked the cells perfectly.\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><span title=\"El meti\u00f3 un enjambre, que cogi\u00f3 hace poco de abejas de celdillas grandes, en una caja con 5 cuadors MannLake sin cria.\">He put a swarm, which he recently caught from large cell bees, in a box with 5 MannLake frames without brood.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Son abejas apis mellifera Ib\u00e9rica (abeja negra ib\u00e9rica). \">These are bees apis mellifera Ib\u00e9rica (Iberian black bee).<br \/>\nThe plastic combs were coated several times with a roller with liquid wax, so that they were better accepted.<\/span><span title=\") introduje 5 cuadros MannLake con un alimentador con poca miel y alimentando todos los d\u00edas,y hoy d\u00eda (23-6-17)los est\u00e1n estirando muy bien, tengo tres cuadros MannLake estirados con puesta,est\u00e1n metiendo polen y miel. \"><br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"Mat\u00edas inform\u00f3 que tambi\u00e9n coloc\u00f3 cuadros MannLake en una colmena fuerte Buckfast.\">Mat\u00edas reported that he also placed MannLake frames in a strong Buckfast hive.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"All\u00ed tambi\u00e9n fabricaron las celdillas peque\u00f1as r\u00e1pido y perfectamente. \">There they also built the small cells quickly and perfectly.<br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"El \u00fanico inconveniente es que estos panales de plastico MannLake tienen las celdillas un poco m\u00e1s grandes de lo que necesitamos, 4,97mm y que ser\u00e1 un poco m\u00e1s dif\u00edcil para las abejas de estirar luego la cera estampada de 4.9mm. \">The only drawback is that these MannLake plastic combs have slightly larger cells than we need, 4.97mm and that it will be a little harder for the bees to build later 4.9mm foundation..<br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"Una ventaja es que el panal MannLake tambi\u00e9n tiene la mayor densidad de las celdillas, a diferencia de los HSC, que de hecho tienen paredes celulares bastante gruesas, pero con el tama\u00f1o de las celdillas exactas de 4.9mm. \">An advantage is that the MannLake comb also has the higher density of cells, unlike the HSC, which in fact have rather thick cell walls, but with the exact cell size of 4.9mm.<br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"Importante: \"><strong>Important<\/strong>:<br \/>\n<strong>side bar width:<\/strong>\u00a034,8mm &#8211;\u00a0<strong>should be grinded to 32mm\u00a0<\/strong>&#8211; so bees will accept this cell siye more easily<br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"Ancho de los bastidores laterales : 34,8mm - habra que lijarlos a 32mm - asi las celdas peque\u00f1as serian aceptadas m\u00e1s f\u00e1ciles \"><br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"En consecuencia, los cuadros MannLake son una alternativa barata para nosotros. \"><strong>Consequently, MannLake combs are a cheap alternative for us.<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><span lang=\"es\" tabindex=\"-1\"><span title=\"Er hat einen vor kurzem gefangenen Schwarm grosszelliger Bienen auf 5 MannLake Plastikwaben abgefegt.\"><span lang=\"en\" tabindex=\"-1\"><span title=\"En consecuencia, los cuadros MannLake son una alternativa barata para nosotros. \"><br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"Los resultados: \">The results:<br \/>\n<\/span><span title=\"cuadros de plastico MannLake estirados de abejas de celdillas grandes\">MannLake plastic frames built by large cell bees:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_6.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake ungewachst\" width=\"700\" height=\"524\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_7.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake ungewachst\" width=\"700\" height=\"524\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">with eggs :<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_8.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake ungewachst\" width=\"700\" height=\"524\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_9.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake ungewachst\" width=\"700\" height=\"524\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/ml_10.jpg\" alt=\"MannLake ungewachst\" width=\"700\" height=\"524\" longdesc=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/Mannlake%20gewachst\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.elgon.es\/diary\/?p=119\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><br \/>\n<strong>y<\/strong><\/a><strong>ou can order the artificial combs of ResistantBees in<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.elgon.es\/diary\/?p=119\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/a><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/resistantbees.com\/shop\/index.php?id_product=37&amp;controller=product&amp;id_lang=5\">our online shop<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br \/>\nThe\u00a0<strong>plastic frames HSC<\/strong>\u00a0are sold now from this shop in USA:<br \/>\n8,25$ for one Langstroth comb<\/p>\n<p>Simpson Bee Supply<br \/>\n15642 Tiger Valley Road<br \/>\nDanville, OH 43014<br \/>\nTel: 740-599-7914<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.simpsonsbeesupply.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/www.simpsonsbeesupply.com\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><strong>MannLake plastic combs\u00a0<\/strong>in different measures in USA::<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.mannlakeltd.com\/9-1-8-waxed-standard-plastic-frame-natural\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.mannlakeltd.com\/9-1-8-waxed-standard-plastic-frame-natural<\/a><br \/>\n3,35$ for one Langstroth comb<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><span id=\"result_box\" lang=\"en\" tabindex=\"-1\">MannLake Langstroth comb now for the first time at no bad price in Europe offered in Valencia, Spain &#8211; 3,90 \u20ac for one Langstroth comb<\/span><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.latiendadelapicultor.com\/accesorios\/cuadro-plastico-49mm-americano.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/www.latiendadelapicultor.com\/accesorios\/cuadro-plastico-49mm-americano.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Estilo64\">Atention &#8211; Adriano told us that the italian company Rovera, who built the Rovergarden frames,, went bankrupt.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Rovergarden in italy:<\/p>\n<pre>ROVERGARDEN Via Boccaccio 11 - 21023 Besozzo\r\nTel: 0332-970.000 e-mail: roverabesozzo@rovergarden.com\r\nItalia<\/pre>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row][vc_column][vc_column_text]With these fully drawn plastic frames, it is very simply to get normal bees used to small cells, within a few weeks.. 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